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		<title>By: Irin</title>
		<link>http://www.girlontheright.com/2009/03/24/ttc-lacks-security/comment-page-4/#comment-9297</link>
		<dc:creator>Irin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am actually quite a dirty lefty, an atheist, AND an Iranian-Canadian, but--despite the fact that I am the enemy--I&#039;d still like to comment in support of the blogger. While some of the language in this post, especially regarding the no-english &quot;little Asian man,&quot; (coupled with the right-wing factor) makes me suspect that GR is likely racist and not just politically incorrect, her immediate assessment and fear of this man was irreproachable, even if some of her commentary isn&#039;t. 

The assumptions she made regarding his terroristic potential were entirely reasonable considering the pattern of and words used in previous terrorist attacks. In fact, if GR had a gun and shot the man on the subway, she would, in my opinion if not in law, be completely justified. If I were in the situation, I would have feared imminent death. In retrospect, he was probably a nut-case (which doesn&#039;t actually preclude him from a real attempt in the future), but a reasonably-assessed threat of imminent death is enough to justify self-defence.  

To Yousaf: actually, if ANYONE (even those as pale as a Swede) yells Allah-u-akbar in a secular setting and mentions an allegiance to Osama bin Laden, one would likely take them at their word, despite looks. First, there HAVE been white terrorists (Muslim-converts) and there are probably more to come. Second, yelling Allah-u-akbar in a secular setting, in an aggressive tone, is not the same as yelling &quot;Jesus saves!&quot; or &quot;Jesus is love!&quot; Allah-u-akbar, in this context, is an identifiable threat. &quot;Jesus saves&quot; usually is just a crazy pronouncement. If we had a number of recent incidents where &quot;Jesus saves&quot; or &quot;the end is nigh&quot; was followed by a bombing, plus an existence of several Christian organizations that support and openly threaten such actions, many people would also fear white-faced Christian-crazies just as much. Most people are probably latent racists, but even racists would put their singular prejudices against brown faces and preferences for white faces aside, if they had reason to fear that the latter posed a greater threat to their life. Mentioning the Crusades also doesn&#039;t wash; as a woman, a middle-easterner, and an atheist, I would have been terrified of encountering pre-Enlightenment Christians (but also of encountering their Muslim contemporaries by the way). This is now.    

Unlike most leftists, I support profiling (not just accounting ethnicity and nationality, but also dress, behaviour). I even recognise that as an Iranian-Canadian, I would be, and have been, inconvenienced by this same policy (although I don&#039;t visibly fit the terrorist bill (female, western dress, no accent)). If sociological profiles are important in identifying criminal suspects, why would we ignore noticeable patterns in preventing terrorism, when the stakes are usually higher?

I&#039;ve, maybe imprudently, given a lot of fodder to right-wingers with this post, but I guess to compensate I&#039;ll also mention that INP&#039;s failed attempt at wit (above) regarding Iranians demonstates that s/he knows few of them and is probably just a racist. Iranians living in the West are proportionally more secular and westernised than people of other middle-eastern countries. For instance, sixty percent (60%) of university students in Iran are female. You may also notice that Iranian women you meet in Canada do not wear typically the veil. In fact, as someone who naturally knows many Iranians, I&#039;m usually quite unpleasantly surprised when I see a veiled Iranian (unless they&#039;re a VERY recent immigrant and still adjusting (even then, it&#039;s a rare sight)). In fact, it&#039;s likely that most Iranian women IN IRAN still would not wear the veil if they were not forced to do so. Iranian women mostly wore completely western dress (including mini-skirts) until the much-hated Iranian Islamic &quot;Revolution&quot; of 1979. Many Iranians would be insulted to hear them equated to their intensely Islamic neighbours. You should not confuse the majority of Iranian people with the Iranian government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am actually quite a dirty lefty, an atheist, AND an Iranian-Canadian, but&#8211;despite the fact that I am the enemy&#8211;I&#8217;d still like to comment in support of the blogger. While some of the language in this post, especially regarding the no-english &#8220;little Asian man,&#8221; (coupled with the right-wing factor) makes me suspect that GR is likely racist and not just politically incorrect, her immediate assessment and fear of this man was irreproachable, even if some of her commentary isn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>The assumptions she made regarding his terroristic potential were entirely reasonable considering the pattern of and words used in previous terrorist attacks. In fact, if GR had a gun and shot the man on the subway, she would, in my opinion if not in law, be completely justified. If I were in the situation, I would have feared imminent death. In retrospect, he was probably a nut-case (which doesn&#8217;t actually preclude him from a real attempt in the future), but a reasonably-assessed threat of imminent death is enough to justify self-defence.  </p>
<p>To Yousaf: actually, if ANYONE (even those as pale as a Swede) yells Allah-u-akbar in a secular setting and mentions an allegiance to Osama bin Laden, one would likely take them at their word, despite looks. First, there HAVE been white terrorists (Muslim-converts) and there are probably more to come. Second, yelling Allah-u-akbar in a secular setting, in an aggressive tone, is not the same as yelling &#8220;Jesus saves!&#8221; or &#8220;Jesus is love!&#8221; Allah-u-akbar, in this context, is an identifiable threat. &#8220;Jesus saves&#8221; usually is just a crazy pronouncement. If we had a number of recent incidents where &#8220;Jesus saves&#8221; or &#8220;the end is nigh&#8221; was followed by a bombing, plus an existence of several Christian organizations that support and openly threaten such actions, many people would also fear white-faced Christian-crazies just as much. Most people are probably latent racists, but even racists would put their singular prejudices against brown faces and preferences for white faces aside, if they had reason to fear that the latter posed a greater threat to their life. Mentioning the Crusades also doesn&#8217;t wash; as a woman, a middle-easterner, and an atheist, I would have been terrified of encountering pre-Enlightenment Christians (but also of encountering their Muslim contemporaries by the way). This is now.    </p>
<p>Unlike most leftists, I support profiling (not just accounting ethnicity and nationality, but also dress, behaviour). I even recognise that as an Iranian-Canadian, I would be, and have been, inconvenienced by this same policy (although I don&#8217;t visibly fit the terrorist bill (female, western dress, no accent)). If sociological profiles are important in identifying criminal suspects, why would we ignore noticeable patterns in preventing terrorism, when the stakes are usually higher?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve, maybe imprudently, given a lot of fodder to right-wingers with this post, but I guess to compensate I&#8217;ll also mention that INP&#8217;s failed attempt at wit (above) regarding Iranians demonstates that s/he knows few of them and is probably just a racist. Iranians living in the West are proportionally more secular and westernised than people of other middle-eastern countries. For instance, sixty percent (60%) of university students in Iran are female. You may also notice that Iranian women you meet in Canada do not wear typically the veil. In fact, as someone who naturally knows many Iranians, I&#8217;m usually quite unpleasantly surprised when I see a veiled Iranian (unless they&#8217;re a VERY recent immigrant and still adjusting (even then, it&#8217;s a rare sight)). In fact, it&#8217;s likely that most Iranian women IN IRAN still would not wear the veil if they were not forced to do so. Iranian women mostly wore completely western dress (including mini-skirts) until the much-hated Iranian Islamic &#8220;Revolution&#8221; of 1979. Many Iranians would be insulted to hear them equated to their intensely Islamic neighbours. You should not confuse the majority of Iranian people with the Iranian government.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://www.girlontheright.com/2009/03/24/ttc-lacks-security/comment-page-4/#comment-8720</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 05:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is all b.s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is all b.s</p>
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		<title>By: A Concerned Canadian</title>
		<link>http://www.girlontheright.com/2009/03/24/ttc-lacks-security/comment-page-4/#comment-8476</link>
		<dc:creator>A Concerned Canadian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Ms. Right, 

Re:  &quot;6th Century Mohammedan&quot;, &quot;Thew little Asian fellow appeared not to understand a damn word we were saying&quot;, &quot;Islamic madman&quot;, automatically calling him &quot;Mohammed&quot; etc.

I entirely understand how scary this whole experience must have been.  However, your choice of words is quite indicative of your bias and Islamophobia.   

To INP,

Re: 

&quot;A riddle by ’southern quebec: “Question: What is the difference between this guy and some crazy Christian Fundy screaming the end of the world is near? Answer: One is brown and one is white.”

Uh, no. the difference is that Christians are not moving to Muslim nations and then committing mass murder there while shouting “jesus rocks”. &quot;

Throughout history (and contemporary times) nearly every faction in humanity has killed in the name or religion. Christians are not immune to this.  For example:

- the KKK and other racists using the Biblical stories of Ham, Canaan, and the Tower of Babel to justify enslaving, lynching, subjugating, and assassinating people of colour;
- countless Muslims and Jews were exterminated at the hands of zealous Crusaders when Pope Urban urged Christians that they can reach salvation by killing nonbelievers;  and
- some (not all) soldiers who are enlisting to fight in Iraq today are doing so on religious terms with the intention to kill Muslims.

But this doesn&#039;t mean that all Christians see things the same way as those listed above.  It just proves that people can do great injustice in the name of any religion when religion becomes twisted and politicized in the pursuit of hegemony.  So, let&#039;s not kid ourselves: human beings have a nasty history and present. Humankind has done atrocious things - be they &quot;Christian&quot;, &quot;Muslim&quot;, or whatever. 

So where does this leave us? 

We need to stop polarizing humanity.  The Muslim world needs to realize that the vast majority of Christians are peaceful and have nothing against them.  The Christian world needs to realize that the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful and have nothing against them.  Both doctrines preach that killing even 1 person unjustly is like killing all of humanity, and that terrorism is forbidden.  Now, regardless of any faith&#039;s doctrine, at the end of the day, we all want the same thing: the reassurance to live in serenity and security, free from marginalization, exclusion, or oppression.. with hopes for better days for tomorrow&#039;s children.

I am a visible Muslim woman.  If I was there during that man&#039;s insane rant, I would have spoken against him right then and there, and I would have called the authorities to deal with him.  He does not represent me nor does he represent the vast majority of Muslims on this planet.

Peace out,
A Concerned Canadian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Ms. Right, </p>
<p>Re:  &#8220;6th Century Mohammedan&#8221;, &#8220;Thew little Asian fellow appeared not to understand a damn word we were saying&#8221;, &#8220;Islamic madman&#8221;, automatically calling him &#8220;Mohammed&#8221; etc.</p>
<p>I entirely understand how scary this whole experience must have been.  However, your choice of words is quite indicative of your bias and Islamophobia.   </p>
<p>To INP,</p>
<p>Re: </p>
<p>&#8220;A riddle by ’southern quebec: “Question: What is the difference between this guy and some crazy Christian Fundy screaming the end of the world is near? Answer: One is brown and one is white.”</p>
<p>Uh, no. the difference is that Christians are not moving to Muslim nations and then committing mass murder there while shouting “jesus rocks”. &#8221;</p>
<p>Throughout history (and contemporary times) nearly every faction in humanity has killed in the name or religion. Christians are not immune to this.  For example:</p>
<p>- the KKK and other racists using the Biblical stories of Ham, Canaan, and the Tower of Babel to justify enslaving, lynching, subjugating, and assassinating people of colour;<br />
- countless Muslims and Jews were exterminated at the hands of zealous Crusaders when Pope Urban urged Christians that they can reach salvation by killing nonbelievers;  and<br />
- some (not all) soldiers who are enlisting to fight in Iraq today are doing so on religious terms with the intention to kill Muslims.</p>
<p>But this doesn&#8217;t mean that all Christians see things the same way as those listed above.  It just proves that people can do great injustice in the name of any religion when religion becomes twisted and politicized in the pursuit of hegemony.  So, let&#8217;s not kid ourselves: human beings have a nasty history and present. Humankind has done atrocious things &#8211; be they &#8220;Christian&#8221;, &#8220;Muslim&#8221;, or whatever. </p>
<p>So where does this leave us? </p>
<p>We need to stop polarizing humanity.  The Muslim world needs to realize that the vast majority of Christians are peaceful and have nothing against them.  The Christian world needs to realize that the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful and have nothing against them.  Both doctrines preach that killing even 1 person unjustly is like killing all of humanity, and that terrorism is forbidden.  Now, regardless of any faith&#8217;s doctrine, at the end of the day, we all want the same thing: the reassurance to live in serenity and security, free from marginalization, exclusion, or oppression.. with hopes for better days for tomorrow&#8217;s children.</p>
<p>I am a visible Muslim woman.  If I was there during that man&#8217;s insane rant, I would have spoken against him right then and there, and I would have called the authorities to deal with him.  He does not represent me nor does he represent the vast majority of Muslims on this planet.</p>
<p>Peace out,<br />
A Concerned Canadian</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.girlontheright.com/2009/03/24/ttc-lacks-security/comment-page-4/#comment-7596</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every time I get on the subway or take a walk in crowded areas of the city, I worry for my safety and the safety of my kids.  I agree 100% with the person who mentioned not caring about the skin colour of the person shouting the crazy on a subway.  I don&#039;t think many of us are naive enough to think that extremist groups can&#039;t find white (or any other colour of people) to help spread their message.  From their point of view, wouldn&#039;t it be even better to get some dumb schmuck from North America to blow themselves up for the cause?  What I wish is that North Americans would wise up.  Being &quot;politically correct&quot; is going to be the end of us.  Do you suppose that terrorist groups respect us for our &#039;evolved&#039; philosophies?  I&#039;m sure they are laughing as they put the sights on us.  We are easy targets.  I would like to see us learn from Israel... to search people before allowing them entry to public places/transport.  Why are we not all walking through metal detectors or bomb detection units?  I&#039;d rather queue to get on the subway and have my bags searched than never get off of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time I get on the subway or take a walk in crowded areas of the city, I worry for my safety and the safety of my kids.  I agree 100% with the person who mentioned not caring about the skin colour of the person shouting the crazy on a subway.  I don&#8217;t think many of us are naive enough to think that extremist groups can&#8217;t find white (or any other colour of people) to help spread their message.  From their point of view, wouldn&#8217;t it be even better to get some dumb schmuck from North America to blow themselves up for the cause?  What I wish is that North Americans would wise up.  Being &#8220;politically correct&#8221; is going to be the end of us.  Do you suppose that terrorist groups respect us for our &#8216;evolved&#8217; philosophies?  I&#8217;m sure they are laughing as they put the sights on us.  We are easy targets.  I would like to see us learn from Israel&#8230; to search people before allowing them entry to public places/transport.  Why are we not all walking through metal detectors or bomb detection units?  I&#8217;d rather queue to get on the subway and have my bags searched than never get off of it.</p>
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		<title>By: o.u.</title>
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		<dc:creator>o.u.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>INP, I have to seriously disagree with you there.

All the Iranians I know have zero love for the Iranian regime, or MA, or the mullahs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>INP, I have to seriously disagree with you there.</p>
<p>All the Iranians I know have zero love for the Iranian regime, or MA, or the mullahs.</p>
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